Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life?

can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'?

yes, that is your job.

to play eve we have to agree to terms/conditons of use blah blah.

if you're not going to tell us what the T&Cs are, how are we meant to follow them?

You guys are far too creative and way too clever for us to have a black and white, do or die policy. There needs to be some flexibility when dealing with edge cases and oddball situations that come up.

that's not ambiguous in the slightest. it simply says nothing. CCP want their cake and eat it.

I'll elaborate later, i have to get ready for work.

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ha-+rass (h-rs, hrs)
tr.v. ha-+rassed, ha-+rass-+ing, ha-+rass-+es
1. To irritate or torment persistently.
2. To wear out; exhaust.
3. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.

"Harassment" isn't the issue. We harass each other in-game ALL THE TIME. A hell-camp is harassment. Suicide ganking is harassment. We've recently hell-camped some inhabitants of 5zxx-k until they are no-longer able to live in that system. (Thank you CCP, for the wonderful mordus legion ships, now in CFC control)

What we want to know is when it crosses the fourth wall into REAL LIFE harassment.

The people involved in the bonus room do not persistently target anyone over days or weeks. Nor do we follow anyone home or stalk anyone. Though I have no doubt that the tear collection is an intense experience, it is done in a single incident of scamming, and no one is forcing anyone to stay on our coms. People have left our coms on their own you know.

If you do not give clarification, there will be no end to the speculation, and that in itself can do more harm to your public image than any debate over rules and rule-skirting can.

so what you are saying is you-¦re not going to tell ppl how to behave, you-¦re just gonna ban them when they dont behave and not even let us know where the line is drawn?
That is a LARGE grey area my friends, one im not sure i want to be a part of.

What kind of player are you? PvP? Carebear?

I have a feeling that the answer would have something in common with your results.

[quote=voetius]People asking for a strict definition of "real-life harassment" are asking for the impossible in my opinion.

Third time?

Please elaborate.

i look forward to the TMC article on said topic.

I wish that were true.

Anyway, falcon is right in the fact that there needs to be flexibility. of course he is.

however if you want people to follow a set of rules, you actually need to tell people what the rules are.
this is a game built around a universe with a totally different set of rules, as such if you want people to work within a different ruleset you have to lay out those rules so people can work within them.

I'm not disputing CCP's right to ban people, but if you don't want to end up banning half your players [i'm going to point out that "half your players" is exaggeration, but people are dumb so i feel i have to point it out] every few months because they broke the rules.... tell them what the rules are so they know what not to do.

I'll be honest, the e1 thing, and now this, kinda put a dampener on this game for me. prior to the whole e1 debacle i was rather interested in the more underhand parts of the game. now i just look at it and think "shooting red crosses might be boring, but i'd rather get bored and quit than have 5 mins of fun and get banned" at least if eve bores to death it's the lesser evil of getting banned.

It'd be nice to have a bit more fun in eve, but being banned for what attracted me to eve... not exactly a motivation to have more fun in eve and get involved with other players.

participants of the bonus room were never banned, were they?

If CCP would have just come out and said it wasn't allowed to begin with, there wouldn't be a need to ban them for a month.

we did; in any situation where you're unsure of something, you ask for clarification.
we prompty got told "lol no".

Okay, this analogy, while funny, is also GREATLY missing the mark.

This is more like a field, with no mines sign, that get advertised as a tourist destination that people have been playing in for years. And one day a few mines go off, and everyone is wondering where the edge of the minefield is so they can get out of it.

bolded it for you.

we seem to be missing a line to indicate where the edge is.

Of course, it is easier to whine about the 'grey areas' then to actually help CCP remove them.

Mind you you only rent a license to use EVE-Online, they can nullify your license at any time.

probably the inconsistency of bans and punishments handed out by CCP.

some people do a few things out of game and get banned, other people get real life threats like this and ccp does nothing.

you know, the thing this thread is about; the lack of clarity of what is, and isn't acceptable, and why enforcement of the rules doesn't seem to have any consistency and you're left with GM roulette as to rule enforcement.

Yeah I saw that, it was pretty awesome. It stopped being awesome when people started getting banned for doing it though.

Generally that means too many people started doing it as harassment, so don't do it anymore.

Every player in EVE should be concerned when random people are blanket banned because they happen to have been in the same channel/corp/alliance/mailing list as the person or persons doing the wrong thing.

No because account sharing is a bannable offense. It's got nothing to do with trust.

What if I don't even have any reason to think it crossed the line?

Maybe I'm just bumping some miners and suddenly one of them thinks I'm harassing them in particular?

CCP apparently gets to decide what harassment is, with no clear precedence of what harassment is within EVEs context.

yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game.
except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are?

yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game.
except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are?

so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player?

so racism

classic ransoming

bonus rooms

I was unaware that wanting to know what the rules are, is victim blaming.

oh wait, it's not, you just didn't read any of the thread did you?

On the other hand, it's great fun to see all the "bad" people in horror about some assholes getting banned. I like that.

I see, you clearly have the moral high ground. At least you think you have. You are happy someone lost the privilege to play this game over unknown reasons (because you don't know) just because they play the "bad" guy in a game that encourages such game play? I consider this a rather toxic attitude. Some people just never look into the mirror I guess.